job in Milan: take someone? - Presentation action on forum Vivimilano summarize the interventions of the discussion which I posted on the blog of Vivimilano Monday, June 28. job in Milan, someone takes?
Good afternoon everyone. I wanted ask an opinion, given that we all know that is a very difficult time in terms of work but still want to try to raise the issue of "work" (I've done this before but it's also a way to test the waters).
The undersigned has the good fortune to 31 years, albeit with yet another project contract, having a job in a suit and technical information.
seek employment in more stable (but still exist?) Saturday, I almost threw away a day in a meeting room in a hotel where a group of people trying to convince me to sell photovoltaic systems (very interesting field to be honest) by proposing ridiculous to pay me commissions and their training as I would have continued his career in the company (and, fortunately, the worker is at the heart of their company).
Apart offers (if you sell you pay, otherwise nothing) what are your experiences? It happens more often to send resumes and not getting answers.
positions to "project", "vat" and "agents" dominate the market ...
We are destined to remain precarious for life?
Posted by: Ela on Monday, June 28, 2010 you
Posted by: silvi50 on Monday, June 28, 2010 die precarious precariously buried!
Posted by: same age on Monday, June 28, 2010 "improvise, adapt, reach the end!" said Gunny Highway. These are uncertain times and the solution you need to find on your own. Force boy!
Posted by: I place on Monday, June 28, 2010 absolutely yes, only that the precarious period will have been abolished and instead say "die flexible (and thank heaven that I made you work for a handful of beans ) "
Posted by: Frodo on Monday, June 28, 2010 very hard, especially in the area you've chosen.
of ads you find in abundance, but it is always project contracts.
Then it matters little if in fact there is no plan and carry out the activities of a typical employee, with appurtenances.
The computer then, are all computerized. In my career
I worked with a computer that until recently were the blacksmiths, butchers, which appeared in porn movies, plumbers, bakers.
Some of them were good, but indicates that there is seriousness in the field.
Occasionally check that any company takes, but also for almost all profiles dall'interinale past experience, so that they still have a permanent contract to make the leap of faith with the promise that after two months there would be no possibility of employment.
Posted by: aiming for the Monday, June 28, 2010 The open-ended contracts are becoming increasingly rare, even before it is too complicated to change jobs, and when it is possible change what happens by word of mouth more or knowledge that the fact that he sent a cv.
Re: Jobs in Milan: take someone?
Posted by: Andreas on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 I know that I'll be inundated with insults, but unfortunately it is also true that today is very very difficult to find someone who is willing to work, willingness to engage. Someone who does not consider the work and the company that hired him only as something to "exploit". Perhaps
are unlucky, but I keep seeing more and more people are focused only on finding the best way to pass time at work with the main objective of bringing home a salary by as little as possible and taking less responsibility as possible.
Posted by: JB on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 a few hours will give the letter of resignation. I will leave a permanent job for a pro co co.
Call me stupid. :-D
Posted by: Wolf on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 agree with Andreas: little desire to work around.
Posted by: Gianmarco on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 A little 'work is always there. Are you content to earn between € 3 / € 5 per hour, ensuring maximum daily availability of such work 2 hours in a part of Milan, and then maybe 3 on the opposite side. If you do not mind to spend nights, weekends and holidays to work instead of your family. If you want to give more time 'to work because both tell you that the interview that overtime will make them but they are not paid, but only marked as free time to enjoy in the future (maybe). If you do not like to eat as much as others because the lunch break there and the good meal you dream about. If you'd like to do work that in some cases you will rise to the question: "What business is a. ..?" If you'd like to be planed at each end of the contract without ever seeing the salaries go up and change a thousand times still the same company although rigeneratasi in other forms. If you it's all this then there is work. Greetings
Posted by: bd on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 What he says Andreas is another consequence of the Biagi law-Maroni. Why work if there are others who are called to do it on purpose? And so the place has become a fixed salarificio. While the proletarianization of the precarious worse from month to month!
Posted by: Chobin73 on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 The ICT sector in Italy is so poorly developed that a person really has skills, with a discrete experiential background and a minimum capacity of management is able put standing aziendina its IT services. You just put in the order of ideas that the big corporate data centers where to find permanent employment will be less widespread and professionalism that will be more demands will be an organizational / planning / management.
Ergo: spend less time pressing buttons and give them more to think about the business processes and their automation.
Posted by: Nettle on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 Andreas Oh yes, I
also beyond me why people do not drool for a job for 3 months + are renewed, but only if you let me Free overtime and taking into account that you do not have to leave law. But what lazy holiday, dedication to work first.
Yes, yes, is the employee that the company considers to be exploited. But then these larvae
human insist on being paid to take on responsibilities that in most cases go beyond their powers.
Ah, but there is a crisis, we must tighten our belts ... on the backs of employees, working a bit 'more than would otherwise put them in layoffs, but only those that I still want to come to work the same in black, as dishwashers on my yacht.
Posted by: Andreas on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 @ Nettle is always dangerous to generalize and I realize I have done it first, but we must not confuse the large organizations that use and abuse instruments such as layoffs or who "revel" in the sale of businesses, or even in small businesses with relocation.
There are hundreds (and some I personally know dozens) of small firms where the owners are often not only have boats / villas ... etc., they are the first to give the salary to be able to continue to pay its employees.
pity that the same companies that you expect from employees that they do not want to be exploited, but simply wanting to work, with a minimum of initiative and sense of responsibility, but not As soon as the "master sciuri" turns his back ... well any excuse to get their facts if not worse
Posted by: bd on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 Andreas cases showing you are special, I admit. But we must also understand that a 30 year old who feels the bankruptcy for a year on his neck, he knows by heart the situation dell'aziendina where he works and that will end if the evening does not weep for the title but to the limit of its destiny ... I do not judge him.
Self-denial is a great thing, one part must be given, but the other must also be justified. When everything collapses, and no longer believe ... it's tough. And the crisis of small business is perhaps dated even 2005. It seems clear that we get out of this world.
Posted by: Nettle on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 Andreas, I do not doubt that there are actually similar, but are certainly not many.
short, all these benefactors around I do not see them.
If they can not afford to receive the salary for some time are not so bad, I did not take him if I do not say "some" but also "a single month would already be at risk of poverty, such shopping cart with clothes inside.
However, it is true that there is attention and a different attachment to the firm that you pay different from before.
Even now, for example, As I write this, I'm getting my salary. But the work I do has some downtime, and will allow me, on the other hand are almost always available for free at any time of day or night.
I do not know who benefits.
Posted by: Martin on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 I never used my employer, unfortunately is always the opposite happened.
Posted by: Leo55 on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 I've always been a precarious, I have always worked on his own as a craftsman, I have always paid taxes, all, in fact I have not enriched, sometimes work needed to find it themselves, by word of mouth and advertisements, for years I have not granted the "vacation" as well as known by the media, I tried to take children to the teaching profession and to broaden my lap, after three months of absence began and then stopped, I never asked more of the 8 hours for 5 days a week and the salary was provided by cc.nn. published in the Chamber of Commerce.
What can I say, I made precarious by studying the children and I paid for the journey after graduation, I have repaid my disclaimers, I still can not find apprentices.
Leo55
Posted by: bd on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 Leo maybe you saved because of "own" your work, be the master. We have that at the end of the month your situation was the same as that of your employees. You had a psychological advantage. In short it is like comparing attention to your car than others!
Posted by: jasmine on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 I wanted to change jobs, to improve my skills and find a place more exciting, but .... I left on a contract of indefinite duration and could not afford to surrender a contract for more precario.Adesso are also married and my new condition is obviously much feared by employers in other words .. I stopped trying and I'm where I am. To answer your question, in Milan in my work is fixed but the place is a mirage, reserved for those who really excels in its field.
Posted by: Paul on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 No, guys and let's face clearly. The work there is not because of work or
there is not absolute, in Milan (a little 'less so, but perhaps we are not so low). And 'who now make contracts or occasional project has become a fashion completely illegal but in fact the horrible Biagi law has had this effect, an effect - in my opinion-willed. Be careful and do not be pauraa to sue your employer, even more than one worker. The law, if the co.co.pro collaaborazione or are not regular (80% of cases) you can protect and recover a bit 'of money that this country takes away too smart. It is we who must act against workers, and many do not have to wait unaa their move or misstep.
Posted by: bd on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 no jasmine. Reserved for those who have at least 30-40 years. If all excel not even exist the place insecurity. Would not it simply never born.
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Posted by: omar on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 NO leo55, you think wrong!
you were not / are a precarious! you are a craftsman, a freelancer, that when waiver to leave, he does to grow a company that is his will and his children (it is a value added over and overtime).
Posted by: aulaguide.net on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 anchor Leo55:
're not the only one to be wrong, but you are in good faith.
think that my ex-director, freelancer, likes to call "the last of the precarious" because his is a fixed term contract (term of 4 years). This
Milan manager (whose salary + premiorisultato incorporates the uncertainty of renewal) also received the prize LOMBARDY FOR WORK 2009 ... in the same year that eliminated the 60 that have reported false cocopro!
I can not write the name-regulation because the moderator does not. Omar
